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Somehow, they live with themselves
There are very few things that can lead me to question the last vestiges of credibility that organized Christianity may have than a preacher ranting about Jebus's unbounded love while flanked by banners that read, "HOMO SEX IS SIN" and "HOMOS ARE HELL BOUND."

Even more absurd were the two young women kneeling in the mud about twenty yards away with hands up in the air, faces screwed in some weird ecstasy at hearing the "good news" about how their fellow humans were damned. Soon they started rocking back and forth rhytmically, their mouths gone slack, and I just had to wonder if they thought they were fellating the divine.

As of right now, the debate continues over whether to move forward on the poorly worded ammendment that has gained preliminary approval in the joint session. At this point, all I can think of is the rabid hate cloaked in the raiments of piety and faith that I saw on the Commons today. Somehow that hate is driving this debate, and somehow, codifying that hate seems like good idea to an appreciable number of my legislators.
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canonfire From: canonfire Date: March 11th, 2004 07:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
the episode you saw does little other than disgust and enrage me. Perhaps it is best that we were not walking together today through the streets of Boston.
komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 05:23 am (UTC) (Link)
I kind of wish you had been if only to have had someone to share my disbelief. It really was incredible.
chinaski From: chinaski Date: March 11th, 2004 07:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

state house?

You were there too, eh? I thought the invocation of Jesus quite strange, seeing as all the semi-anti-gay scripture comes from the OT & hands down Jesus wouldn't like these guys (he said "remove the plank from thine own eye.")
komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 05:26 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: state house?

I work in the area, so I took the opportunity to wander a bit through the circus. You're right, of course, but I have a feeling that Jesus would look at the present state of Chrisianity and say something to the effect of, "Whoa. Guys. This really wasn't what I had in mind."

How long are you in town?
chinaski From: chinaski Date: March 12th, 2004 07:52 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: state house?

I'll be here until Tuesday. Tell me what I should not miss?
komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 08:36 am (UTC) (Link)
These are going to be pretty scattershot, but off the top of my head:

1) Getting out to the Harvard footbridge shortly after dawn to watch the rowers;

2) Finale in Harvard Square for an exquisite, decadent desert or The Modern in the North End for pastries;

3) The street performers in Harvard Square and/or the Park Street T station;

4) A tour of the Boston Athenaeum or a visit to the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum;

5) Coolidge Corner for a) a film at the Coolidge Corner Cinema, b) ice cream at JP Licks, and c) (if I may be so bold) a visit to Grand Opening; and

6) Hanging out at the Burren in Davis Square when there are session players or playing darts at Cornwalls in Kenmore Square.

Let me know if you'd like others.
cook_ting From: cook_ting Date: March 11th, 2004 08:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

Warning: Rant

Remember that these are the same people who enslaved and killed off indigenous populations, burned thousands who disagreed with their superstitionist world view, held Europe in an 800 year dark age, backed slavery across the world, played a major part in the holocaust, fought against civil rights and the right of women to vote, and still battle tirelessly against abortion rights and demand enforced prayer in schools and an end to the teaching of evolution.

Their belief system is based on hatred, fear and lies. They believe that if you're not them your afterlife is eternal torment and don't hesitate to tell you at every turn. They dream of the day when they can look down their noses at all we poor sinners burning in an apocalyptic wasteland while they rise up to heaven to bask in that great fascist carnival in the sky. They see no redeeming features in any other faith and consistently harass others in the hopes of reaping more souls for their beloved god.

I'm not against all christians. Certainly, I've met some lovely folks of the Jesus persuasion and a good number of them are just decent, hard working people who try to get along with their neighbors, but the fact remains that this is their legacy. Never has christianity offered an even remotely redeeming act to atone for the 2 millennia of horrors they have created. In the name of Jesus there has been more misery, pain, and ignorance inflicted upon this world than can ever truly be accounted for. I'm highly unsurprised by their actions, as I've never had any faith in their humanity.

So endith the Rant.
komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 05:33 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Warning: Rant

Honestly I think most everyone has a questionable legacy, and there are many things that are attributed to the Church that were, at their root, politically and economically motivated. What I react to is practice of justifying such acts with the trappings of what ostensibly is a spiritual path.

I just can't believe that the women on their knees were having a spiritual experience in the middle of an orgy of hate. The idea is crazy to me.
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komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 05:33 am (UTC) (Link)
From what I understand, he always brought wine to parties, too.
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komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 05:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I know you're out there, and in case it's not been clear, I don't have an issue with Christians or the Christian faith per se. I do have problems with the extremist wingnuts and the positions they hold within the organized sects. In a country as diverse as this one holds to be, there is nothing that convince me that a given religious bias should be defining our social structure. This is especially true when the bias is as backward-looking as this.
emzebel From: emzebel Date: March 12th, 2004 06:09 am (UTC) (Link)
This reminds me of something I said to my husband last weekend: I don't mind Christians, but people who *say* they are Christian piss me off.

(not meaning that people who are outwardly Christian piss me off, but people like the ones you described who say they are Christian and then get all hateful and nasty...you know what I mean. I hope...)
komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 07:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I do. Honestly, I tend to think that everyone has a right to their own opinion, however that may be informed. I chaffed yesterday because I was witness to hypocrisy and there were people who were in throes in the face of it.

And then there's the small matter of the separation of church and state, but that's a rant in and of itself.
quislibet From: quislibet Date: March 12th, 2004 08:41 am (UTC) (Link)
"fellating the divine"

That album rocks!
Or at least it would, if it existed.
komos From: komos Date: March 12th, 2004 08:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, it will.

It will.
kzookitten From: kzookitten Date: March 12th, 2004 11:04 am (UTC) (Link)

This was very much a stream of conscious rant

This whole thing blows my mind.
The fact that people can get so worked up over gay marriage or unborn babies and NOT get worked up over a war killing tons of people. Thats what kills me.

Its when people will hold these very disparate views and passions, and flaunt their morality above others.


I mean, I respect a persons opinion, I do. But, my friend Josh for instance, he believes that the fact that gay marriage is even on the table is a sign of an impending apocalypse. Talks all big and Christian-like. And yet, he is practically an alcoholic, cant take care of his own life, and is vocal about not caring about other people (not that he doesnt care about other people, but a lot of times if someone has a problem, he will be very seemingly course about it).

Now, this is a very disjointed description of him, and entirely incomplete. I believe he has some grounded beliefs, but has yet to learn how he feels he should live by them. He is fairly young after all.

But, I honestly dont understand how anyone, including my dear friend, could be so adamant against gay marriage and not be doing anything else to better the world, or their own immortal soul for that matter.

(Thats another thing, i dont think he has been to church in months. Wasnt there something about all sins being on equal ground somewhere? Yeah.)

Well, anyhow, the point is I feel like todays world is very backwards. We seem to care as a society for things that wont change the world for the better in a very significant way, and yet are too apathetic to vote, volunteer, join military service, go to school, or any other like means of serving our community. We all know what we should or shouldnt do, but we let tv and other distractions numb us to our own diagnoses of our lives. We blind ourselves.

Anyhow, im hungry. Lunch time
From: uruz Date: March 12th, 2004 09:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
On her radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle,for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and

Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed.D.
Professor Emeritus
Dept. of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia
405 Emmet Street South
PO Box 400273
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4273
(434) 924-0763 [FAX (434) 924-0747]
komos From: komos Date: March 13th, 2004 08:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I've seen this.

Most anything can be justified with scripture. Hell, if you look at the fall of Jericho, you could make an argument for war crimes and genocide. Some things are better left buried in the text.
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